After all, although there was some journal entries as early as 1832, he did not start an official history until 1838. He could not have known that in a few short years after his death, the Rosetta stone would be discovered that allowed ancient Egyptian to be translated, and that a few decades after that, there would be experts in that ancient language who could authoritatively pronounce Joseph’s ‘translations’ as a ‘farrago of nonsense.’ He could not have known that in the 1960s, the papyrus he claimed he translated from would be found in NYC, and that modern experts in that language would also declare that he was out in left field on the translation claim, as literally NOTHING he claimed the papyrus spoke of was accurate. Readers of this site may think that so many are, “coming to the truth”. Sure love ya! Thanks for your comment, Shannon.

Sure the issues can be answered, but doesn’t the fact that they exist at all make you wonder? Let me give one example to make sure we understand one another. I’m coming kind of late in the discussion on this, but I really enjoyed reading this, and it got me thinking. Also I would never label my love for my husband and what we have an influence by the Devil. In the case of us mortals, men and women are confronted with a world in which there are appealing arguments for God as a childish projection, for modern prophets as scheming or deluded imposters, and for modern scriptures as so much fabulous fiction. It’s in church documents! Some apparently thought the idea of finding a magic stone in a well that illuminated and was readable when put in a hat might cause a problem. I had never heard about the newspaper clipping that you mentioned. They believed my husband was a bad influence, dragging me down and away from the Gospel or a chance at entering the Temple. Over 11 years, we visited and lived in 45 countries, had our minds and hearts opened, created and ran community events, and have now settled back in the states for the time being. It seems apparent to both of us, and I’m sure anyone who’s taken the time to see with and without the Mormon glasses, that the evidence can be compelling from both perspectives. Or the have a clear agenda to attack anything to do with the Mormon Church. It doesn’t mean the book comes from ancient sources. Thanks, Just read what you wrote about free masonry and mormonism. The church has done a wonderful job in tarnishing their character. In my experience, anything short of glorifying the Mormon Church as the only true church is considered persecution.

Why are ordinances, such as baptism, so important to an all powerful God? We just believe different things, like your brothers and sisters of different faiths across the world. And my relationships are much more genuine and interesting, too. It sadden me and I was terrified by all the claims Joseph made or lied in regards to polygamy–especially to Emma. And I began to worry along the way if I’d regret it.

Why does he work in such small circles? We all have this inner child that we just have to keep in check because life isn’t just about ourselves. No one can, not even you. We're a family of five who left home and sold everything in 2009 to travel the world together.

Over the years I always look back to the church and have fond memories. I was converted 2 years ago by wonderful missionaries who had inspired to me to believe that God and Jesus Christ do exist.

Go ahead and leave the church that is your right and choice.

I am so happy for you, that you’ve gone through this discovery process.

We always loved each other, supported each other, had fun together. Still, it’s an important benefit I’ve gained. It’s just my interpretation of the evidence I’ve seen. They are their authentic, true selves and it is a joy to behold (and be around). We can help one another to find the meaning of life, no doubt. A few did, but most didn’t. Lived In Lehi, UT 84043. I love how Nephi nails it when he sais in second Nephi, 33:!0, “Believe in Christ, and if ye believe not in these words, believe in Christ.

I think I am sad simply because for ME the church is everything that makes me feel whole and happy. They are touching lives for the better wherever they go, and truly care about their fellow man.

I believed they were my family, however I was proven wrong.

And he began ‘translating’ them. Sadly, we’ve already experienced some of this. Congrats on your beautiful baby girl. I found that depending which “glasses” I put on, the “evidence” from both sides looked different. We are grateful to be doing much better now though with the passage of time. I will check them out next week….

We really do not care what Brandon or Jennifer choose to beliieve in or not – that is totally up to them. and the 4th one, which became the one the church pushes.. .

I was captivated while reading your paper and couldn’t stop due to the fact that it was more in depth than I had ever researched. Please feel free to share it with anyone you think might benefit from it.

She was also the main instigator of our move offshore, not me.

I completly and whole heartedly support you! The church doesn’t even try to fib about them, but they are not openly taught about. If he did pull off a scam like that, he makes Madoff look like an honest guy. The fact is, if anyone truly wanted to know the truth about the true Mormon history, some of which you touch on, it would destroy their belief in it. Travel has a way of enlarging your perspective in many ways. They are also very active in the church. Many people were very interested in hearing about his discoveries and his reasoning for leaving Mormonism.

I have recently discovered that I still have it. Maybe the papyrus was the catalyst for that. Mohammed? I believe that people have a right to choose and have that CHOICE that the Lord gave us to come to this earth.

I hope you are loving your new adventure!

I consider you as cute, fun friends! It was only after I began feeling misjudged and hearing the rumors that I felt the need to clear things up by making my journey public. Brandon, did not force his writing on anyone, and went to pains to warn potential readers that it might be something uncomfortable to read. I mostly felt fear at the unknown or possibilities of the end of days and living in the afterlife. And if you are indeed secure in your faith, the conclusions and realizations that Brandon & Jen have come to have no bearing on you.

First of all, it’s been fun to keep up with you and your world travels. I also definitely have not been closed off to exploring anything, even if it doesn’t fit church doctrine, or felt confined by my religion. My biggest worry right now is finding the balance for my kids so as they grow up in the church they don’t judge me for not believing. You don’t know me. Every time I publish a new blog post, I post it publicly on Facebook, and that’s where many of my readers come from. I started reading a few of your articles and I came across this post. We all draw our own conclusions from the evidence that we find, and many people still choose to believe after seeing the same things I have seen. The Book of Abraham fiasco was likely the biggest shock to me as I began studying more than the church’s glorified version of it’s history. Hi Dad, it’s so great to hear from you! Know that we love you, too, and that we’re still the same good, loving people we were before.

I suppose, if you determine that it is all a fake, it doesn’t totally matter how he did it, however it is something I’ve thought about a lot trying to close that loop. Scott Thomas Burke Julie Degering Clements Bradley David Degering David Eugene Degering Holly Degering Jeffrey Chad Degering Nicea Michele Degering Shelley Scott Degering Susan H Degering Kara Gallagher.

But in this book, he relies on bible scholars and what they know about how the bible was constructed, why portions of it were written (like the creation stories), and incredible contradictions.. many of them in the differing accounts of Jesus’ life and death.

And church-commissioned historical records. Being ostracized for studying church history and then living with my resulting convictions has been difficult. There was not first vision account written until at least 10 years after it happened. Thank you again for your thoughts. He claimed translation.

I love you so much. I’ve been able to reconcile some, but not all. I well remember members of our ward telling my mother they had no doubt I’d be a general authority someday.

But there are good reasons to believe other explanations. If it is possible for my very own Bishop to turn his back on me, many other converts and create lies about them to prevent them from achieving relationships in the church, how is it not possible then for such evil to be happening?

I must first point out that it is not fear or you pointing things out to me about the church that made me stop reading.

I’d be interested to attend a Unitarian Universalist church to see what that’s like, if I could find one around here anywhere. Jesus? Kelley, your comment that “All Brandon and Jennifer had to say was we are leaving the church and that would have been fine with everyone” is incorrect. He may have convinced himself that many of his teachings were true, especially as his followers expressed their belief and how it’s improved their lives. I truly thought my family and friends who knew me would listen to what I had to say. I had my heart set on the fact that my husband will be baptized and yes my patriarchal was telling the truth and that my Heavenly Father loved me, but after my husband said no the missionaries my heart cried out! I don’t blame the missionaries, it was what they believed to be true, but I really needed no further proof that this was all made from men and if it were of a god, then I would rather not have anything to do with him. I it was hurtful to think that there were so many things that the missionaries did not teach me while I was investigating. I just thought I would add an observation. I love you too! At the time Joseph Smith produced the Pearl of Great Price, the ancient Egyptian language could not be translated. Hopefully after reading, you will be able to see us for who we are, not just for what we believe, and to continue loving and accepting us as we still love and accept you.

The barriers that have been up between me and most of my children since I left the church have been very painful, and make my life at times feel as those there is a door on the past that needs to be shut, but cannot be because of the “elephant” in the room I feel whenever I’m with my children and grandchildren. Anyway, I hope to talk with you again soon Lots of love, Dad. What the heck do you think we came to earth for? There have been some rumors floating around that we have left the Mormon church (The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints). You are an incredible person.

It was just based on people I’ve come in contact with, who appeared to still be Christian although they left the church.

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